安东尼奥·格拉西亚斯：DOGE 改革、选民舞弊与政府系统简化

Jason Calacanis (00:00:01): Where's Antonio Gracias? Bring him up. How bad is it? How messed up is our government? Antonio Gracias (00:00:07): So if Twitter was like the JV league, this is like the NBA. It's the most complex thing I've ever seen. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:00:13): How is he able to find big balls? Where do they show up? David Friedberg (00:00:16): Did they just apply out of the blue? I mean, where Jason Calacanis (00:00:17): do these guys come from? You found some people who were illegal immigrants who registered to vote? Antonio Gracias (00:00:22): Yes. This is actually true. Every vote that is cast illegal in America nullifies the vote of an American citizen. Jason Calacanis (00:00:30): So, Antonio, we we know you're very busy because you decided, like a couple of our other friends, to take a second job working in our government for a hundred or so days. Yeah. You give him a round of applause for that. You know, Trump is a unique individual in all the world. There's maybe polarizing, in some ways, but one thing that's not polarizing is Doge. I think everybody wants to see waste, fraud, and abuse, and controlled spending in government. Maybe there's some questions about how fast it's going, but we all know you and Elon like to go, you at a brisk pace. You laid back and you joined a little later in the process. Like a stat you joined maybe what, fifteen, twenty days ago? Antonio Gracias (00:01:16): I've been there for eight weeks. Jason Calacanis (00:01:18): Eight weeks. Okay. So yeah. Sixty days. And you went public with it maybe a couple weeks ago. Antonio Gracias (00:01:23): Yep. I was in Woodlawn, Maryland for the first four weeks, so you didn't know I was there. Jason Calacanis (00:01:26): Yes. So so how bad is it? How how messed up is our government? How insane are the processes? You're a process guy. You know, we both worked on the the Twitter, acquisition and the and the transfer there and did all the zero based budgeting. I mean, maybe compare and contrast it to that, which was maybe one of the most horrific corporate entities I've ever seen in my Antonio Gracias (00:01:51): life Yeah. Was tough. Jason Calacanis (00:01:52): And how that was being run. Antonio Gracias (00:01:53): It was tough. Yeah. Well, let me start by thanking you guys. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:01:57): Great to Antonio Gracias (00:01:57): be down here to see everybody. And let me also say that it's an honor to serve America. Like, whatever I am doing, I am grateful to be able to do it. I'm grateful for my partners for allowing me to do it and my clients for supporting it. And it it truly is not our view. There's many great people in the government trying to help. So let me start with just gonna be at yeah. Jason Calacanis (00:02:14): Is a sacrifice. Right? You're you're you're taking time out of your day Antonio Gracias (00:02:17): It's definitely a sacrifice, but it it it really I feel very grateful that have the capacity in thirty years of training in lead operations that I can be useful. You know? That feels very feels I feel gratitude. Yeah. How bad is it? So if Twitter was like the the JV league, this is like the NBA. It's the most complex thing I've ever seen. I have in our office in DC, I have a I've mapped now, as an example, the entire system of basically from the border to the benefits programs. It's about a 40 foot board and it looks like a bus. Yeah. It's I mean, it's an incredible, like, SpaghettiGram stuff. And, yeah, I've never seen anything so complex in my life. So the answer to your question is, it's worse than I thought, much, much worse than what we saw at TwitterNowX. And America, Americans, and all of you, we deserve better. Jason Calacanis (00:03:11): Okay. If we were to and I'm sure Shabbat has some questions in Freebury. But if we were to look at $1 spent by our government, waste fraud, abuse, how many pennies of the dollar is it? If you had to just based on what you've seen so far, arrange Antonio Gracias (00:03:30): Here's what says. If you go into any company, any company you guys have ever seen that is not, like, super well run, it probably is, like, easy cut 15%. Easy. Easy. Easy. This is where the 15 this is where the the trillion dollar number came from. 15% of of $7,000,000,000. I think if we had the political will, you'd easily get that 15%. No problem. Not without any problem at all, and without cutting the core entitlement programs. So, it's definitely there. The question is do people wanna do it or not? And remember, every dollar we take, we are taking from an NGO or a Beltway consultant. You know, it's it's actually the people screaming about this because we're taking money from them. And it it is whatever you read in the news media, I gotta tell you, it isn't true. I mean, the cuts, I think it's 88% of the of the people that have left the government have taken packages. The packages are very lucrative. There's sort you know, nine months or so of severance, and they're they're voluntary. So, yeah. I tell you that I'd also say the people that work in government who are good, there's lots of good people in the government that I have met and have pointed this at all this stuff, they deserve better. Okay? Imagine trying to be a civil servant. Wanna do the right thing, you're working there because you care about America, and you're in this, like, massive bureaucratic morass with all this stuff on top of you. And, man, I've seen, like, I've seen OIG reports where they they the people have reported to OIG, like, sex trafficking, and they turn it in and nothing happens. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:04:51): Wow. Antonio Gracias (00:04:52): Like, literally nothing happens. Okay? So that's very frustrating, and they stick it out, they keep going, and they keep working hard for America. So I I think it's it's not just about the cost cuts, it's about the culture. Like, the culture change of allowing allowing good people who are in the government to understand that someone's listening, that when they wanna make improvement change or when they find fraud, waste, and abuse, they can do it, and there's an avenue now to do it. I think that's actually gonna be one of the most important lasting thing we leave, is this idea that your voice matters in the government, that there are good people in the government, and when they wanna do the right thing, there's a way to do it. Jason Calacanis (00:05:26): And you got people coming back to work in the office. Antonio Gracias (00:05:29): Oh, I have tell you so. You know, we have been pilloried often in the press for social administration where I started. And here are the facts. When I got there, just like at Twitter, the parking lot was empty. And I'm talking about stadium sized parking. Okay? Empty. The office was empty. There was no one in the corporate office, the headquarters office in Woodland, Maryland. And then I we because we follow our process of mapping from, like, end to end to system, we went to visit a couple offices. I went to one myself. The one that I went to, there were about 20 people in the waiting room. There were seven people in the windows. Of the seven people, three had their shades, half down. Those people were taking phone calls because during COVID, they turned everyone into phone operators. What we learned is they were still running on COVID operations. So we have now, through our efforts and efforts of the interim administrator, brought everyone back to the office and back to the offices in the field. We haven't closed one field office, not one since we've been there. Everything you're reading about service levels is not true. What I saw imagine how frustrating that is if you're you're waiting in waiting room, you see seven windows out of 25 open, and three other people are taking phone calls, and you're waiting. I mean, talk about customer service. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:06:34): So look. Like, in in all the companies that we all run, we always talk about using incentives to shape the outcome you want. And I think you keep insisting, which I think is right, that civil servants by and large want the right things to happen. That's why they chose to go and work for the So what is the incentive we need to change? Is it a compensation incentive? Is it like, what is it? Antonio Gracias (00:06:59): Look, I think the people that work in the government it's a normal distribution of everything, right? It's 2,500,000 people in government plus contractors. And, you know, some people are great, some people aren't great, and a lot of people in the middle. And the people in the middle react to the incentives, as you point out. I think the most important thing here is transparency of the metrics, because these folks aren't there for the money. Mainly, they're very good because they're made money somewhere else. The incentives we should create are transparency in some basic metrics. They know how they're doing. We we were example, at Social Security, we were criticized for the website uptime. Well, turns out website uptime has been better since we got there than after managing our engineers. And we've now published the metrics in the website publicly so people would see it. So the engineering team now managing the website can see that they're doing a good job or not doing a good job, and the public can see if they're doing a job or not doing a good job. I I don't think it's financial incentives are always useful, but this is not just about money. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:07:52): Like, example, if you if you look at Singapore Antonio Gracias (00:07:54): Yep. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:07:54): The Singaporean approach from Lee Kuan Yew was, let's create a government that is extremely empowered, but let's also make it quite small. Let's make them more compensated, and let's try to find sort of an elite cadre of folks. Is that approach possible in The United States, or should we even think that we should try something like that? Antonio Gracias (00:08:19): I mean, like, Singapore is a unique a unique experiment in the world. It's also a place where you you know you might not get caned if you dropped chewing gum on the ground. Right. Okay? So, in America, we have a different a different level of, I would say, of freedom and rights. You know, we should strive for a civil service that is professional, well compensated, compensated, and mission oriented. And that mission orientation is serving The United States. And I think that gets back to, look, they're very good people, they want a great thing, serve their country, that's why they're there. And it's I wouldn't make it I wouldn't make it about the money. I would make it about the mission. And and you will get the we get there are very good people that are on mission. I met them. They are the ones pointing all this stuff out to us. David Friedberg (00:08:59): Right. Yeah. Can you talk about you guys went on Fox the other day with the Doge team. Big Balls. And Big Balls was there. We were talking about this backstage. All of those guys were like 12 years old. What is it about the role, the opportunity, the way it was presented that attracted this group of what were incredibly well spoken, highly intelligent, clearly extraordinarily motivated individuals? It's the caliber of talent that all of us aspire to hire and first of all, find, hire, and then they're on the mission. Is it Elon's inspiration and the reach he has that made this happen? Is this a particular moment in American history? Because I was looking at that table and I was thinking about like the founding fathers and the age of the founding fathers when they wrote the Declaration of Independence. They were all super young. And I was like, man, this is an opportunity to kind of rewrite how government operates in America today. But I was just struck by the age and the talent and how that came together and kinda where do they show up? Do they just apply out of the blue? And you guys you guys have recruiters out there? I mean, where does where do these guys come from? Antonio Gracias (00:10:13): So we do have we do have a recruiting team, actually. They're great. Barish and Emily do the recruiting. And I'll tell you, I just wanna stop for a second and and say this. This is extraordinary. These people are extraordinary. All of them. The young people you saw at the table are extraordinary. They're amazing engineers. I mean, they're like any one of us would be they're they're 10 x engineers. We would all be thrilled to have our companies. Elon, obviously, is an extraordinary leader, so they come they come for for for him. But I think they're really motivated by the mission. They're motivated by the idea that this is a moment where they can actually make an extraordinary difference to the country, and that is a flywheel that brings more people. Right? So they bring their friends, and it's, you know, you recruit other people in. And there's There are extraordinary, extraordinary people there, man. They So you saw the people at the table in that particular interview, I didn't say a word. I literally wasn't they cut me. Actually It was you Chamath Palihapitiya (00:11:00): and and the other guy. Antonio Gracias (00:11:01): Yeah. Didn't say anything. Yeah. The reason I didn't say anything was because I didn't need to. Yeah. These guys are extraordinary. And, like, know, one of the men there spoke about this, Ethan, he is in he's in my son's class at Harvard. He dropped out of Harvard with two classes left David Friedberg (00:11:14): Right. Antonio Gracias (00:11:14): To come do this. You know, Big Ball is an example. He's great. Ram, I work with yeah. I mean, I I work with an engineer named Ram is great. And then and then and I gotta tell you, there's a whole another strata of people that you didn't see there who are kind of in their thirties. I think my buddy Josh is working on on the college stuff and a few other things. These guys are I mean, this guy was a senior executive of Rising Star KKR, left his job Yeah. To come do this. Okay? And there's innumerable number of people like this. It's an extraordinary group. I feel honored to be part of it. I feel honored to work with them. But it really is amazing. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:11:48): Can I tell Speaker 5 (00:11:48): you an answer to this? David Friedberg (00:11:49): Yeah. But I just want like, do you think that this because these guys aren't gonna work in the government forever. They're coming in, they're building something, they're activating, and they're moving on back to their private life like the founding fathers did at the start of the American government. Is that a better model for how government should operate rather than have career employees, career politicians, but treat it more like civil service where everyone has some role that they should play at some point like they do in Israel where you have to, you know, go go to the army for a few years and everyone is required same in Singapore actually Antonio Gracias (00:12:21): Yep. David Friedberg (00:12:22): Where everyone kinda have to go spend their time in the government, contribute, participate. But it doesn't become a mechanism where there's an incentive to grow it and get more money flowing through it because that's how I individually as a politician or employee long term would benefit from the government. Antonio Gracias (00:12:35): Yeah. I think it's great point. It's a great point on Singapore actually. Should have brought that up when Jamal has a question. I think that we're proving there's if there's two types of people in the government today, there's careers, they call them, and politicals. Right? I think there should be a third type, which is what you're talking about. People that are doing public service for a short duration, shorter duration, whether it's me, one thirty as as a SG or, you know, it's a couple of years as an engineer or something. I think a culture of this in America would be great for America. Mhmm. And great not just for what it does to the government, but how it binds us as a people. Right? Serving your country, going there, seeing how hard it is. Right. Seeing the the way it works, understanding that, like, really from the inside what's going on. Listen, I had no idea. David Friedberg (00:13:13): It's like what part of the government did you work in for your two year service or your fifteen months. Right? Antonio Gracias (00:13:17): Like This would be this would be a great thing for America and a great thing for our society Yeah. Because that culture of public service, I think, would bring us closer together. David Friedberg (00:13:26): Shumath, you were gonna say something about Chamath Palihapitiya (00:13:27): the had a I mean, without saying too much, but you can guess. So all of us have known Elon for a really long time. I also worked for another person that's of that same stature for a long time. And Antonio Gracias (00:13:43): He's much shorter. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:13:44): Much shorter. And one of Antonio Gracias (00:13:47): I say that. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:13:48): Big good friend of his came to see me recently for lunch, and he asked me this exact same question about Elon. He said like it was kind of like as just like the that's the question that they were grappling with. How is he able to find big balls and so many big balls? Jason Calacanis (00:14:07): I actually can tell you. I've seen him find big balls. Yeah. He it's a it's a serious strategy though. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:14:13): But what I I Jason Calacanis (00:14:14): told him He responds to emails or tweets. Twitter, people will say like, I have a solution to this. We should do that. And then I've been cc'd on messages where he sends them to the right person. He has people to vet them and see if this idea actually works. And I think he's like very opportunistic and doesn't prejudge where you went to school, what your credentials is are. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:14:35): It's almost the opposite. The less credentials you are, he has a predisposition to think you're more right. Jason Calacanis (00:14:39): Have you solved the problem? David Friedberg (00:14:40): By the way, this is a Chamath Palihapitiya (00:14:41): this is a Peter Thiel. But but my my answer to this was there's there's a lot of people that can be responsive in email. I think there's a handful of people that are real northern stars for technical talent. But he's the only one that when you walk in the room, he says, here's this mission, and it is so generally otherworldly. Nobody else can really say that. It is a flywheel, as you said, that is extremely unique. The fact that you can direct that entropy to the United States government, I think is a blessing. Now the question is how do we follow-up and make it attractive? Because to your point, I saw those kids on that interview and any of my five kids, if they had done what they did, I would have been so proud. I was so impressed with these kids. Antonio Gracias (00:15:25): Very impressive. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:15:26): Yeah. And and you're like, you're proud to be an American watching these kids. David Friedberg (00:15:29): You saw Elon's face nodding while they were speaking with a a grin ear to ear. He was proud. Antonio Gracias (00:15:35): He was like they were his kids. Well Yeah. Is proud. Jason Calacanis (00:15:37): I think it's important for maybe people to sit back and say, this has all been done in a hundred days from a cold start. It's not like Right. They you brought in people, you brought in people who are like, I know the lay of the land here. Antonio Gracias (00:15:47): It was like Totally. Jason Calacanis (00:15:48): We're going to figure this out from first principles, do zero based budgeting, whatever it is, look at the data and see where it leads us. And I think one of the disturbing things about the data and most controversial issues in America today is the border. Yeah. And why did Biden let so many people through the border? It was kind of a question if it was even happening. Should we trust these border encounter numbers? It doesn't seem real. And and there's a lack of trust in the government. One side is saying, hey, we let all these people in. There's fifteen, twenty million extra people here in order to vote Democratic. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me since the Republicans have become the working party, but putting all that aside, you started looking at this, and we had a discussion privately about, hey are these people signing up to vote? Because that would be an indicator that this, you know, theory that people were streaming across the border in order to vote, you found some people who were illegal immigrants who registered to vote. This is confounding. Antonio Gracias (00:16:49): Yes. This is actually true. So we have we have sampled a handful of states. And in those handful of states, we found people registered to vote, and we have found people who actually voted. And this is all being done by sampling. Okay? So we are sampling DHS data, and then have to go to the voter rolls, check the voter rolls, and then check the give that to HSI, Homeless Care Investigations, who goes and checks the voter record by subpoena and the and the voter in the cards you sign when you vote. We had already three arrests here in Florida actually and one And is Chamath Palihapitiya (00:17:26): that publicly known? Antonio Gracias (00:17:27): Yes. We posted it. The DOJ David Friedberg (00:17:29): has not covered like, I haven't seen much about it. Jason Calacanis (00:17:31): It's gotten you're saying Chamath Palihapitiya (00:17:32): these these are three individuals who illegally secured or no, legally secured a Social Security? Antonio Gracias (00:17:37): They illegally secured Social Security numbers through the process we talked about last time, asylum or some special program or whatever, and they were given, you know, they were given a Social Security number by filing a 765 and getting work authorization, and they registered to vote, and they actually voted in 2020 and or 2024. '3 have been arrested. I just want say this carefully. Three have been arrested, and one has been indicted. The one we indicted I want to just stop on this guy for a minute. He's Iraqi national. He voted in 2020 in New York. He went to prison for shooting somebody, shot some guy's hand off, has charged, if I remember correctly, dollars 60 or 70,000 of benefits through Medicaid, and we think, now in Iraq because he's active on his Facebook page, and the IP address is from Iraq. And credit to our friends at HSI, our partners at HSI, and to DOJ for tracking this down. I gotta tell you guys, it's difficult, laborious work. It really is. But think about that a minute. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:18:34): Is that the tip of David Friedberg (00:18:35): the iceberg, Antonio, do you think? Or did you guys do a lot of mining and a lot of digging to come up with those four? How big of a magnitude of an problem do you think this is? What what's your what's your intuition tell you honestly right now about whether there's massive voter fraud or not? Antonio Gracias (00:18:51): Great question. And I wanna be careful I answer it. I'm gonna leave the data. So I'm not leaving the data and I'm entering the area of my opinion, which is what you're asking me. My opinion is and actually, let me step back and tell you what we did a second and then tell you my opinion. We are sampling by hand. So when you say data mining, we're not mining. We're actually like pick and shovel going into, like, by hand. This is not mechanized. There's no AI being applied. We're using SQL queries. Okay? Chamath Palihapitiya (00:19:19): You're literally pulling one Antonio Gracias (00:19:20): by a name out of the work authorization database, DHS, checking that against the voter roll, and have to go run it down to the state. Super laborious. Okay? So with that in mind, my opinion is that this is the tip of the iceberg. How big the iceberg is? I don't know. And I don't wanna speculate because I think it it would be not the right thing we can do at this moment. I think we'll have more data over time. But for sure, if we can sample out of a database and it takes an engineer about a day to find 20 ish cases. So what DOJ asked for was 20 10 to 20 cases per state. It just to give you a sense of of of what's happening, it takes an engineer about a day to find 10 to 20 cases per state in sampling. That gives you an idea of how many there are. Right? That's going on. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:20:04): You shocked that people don't care about this more? Antonio Gracias (00:20:07): I'm shocked. I think people really do care. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:20:09): Should we care more? Antonio Gracias (00:20:11): Yes. I want to separate the questions. I think people care more. My guess is everyone here cares a lot. Okay? A lot about this. I think for some reason the news media doesn't care more. Now, should you care? Yes. You know, there's this idea, like, it's they're always having a little bit of fraud, pervasive, we should just it's not a big deal. Wrong. Here's the reality. Every vote that is cast illegally in America nullifies the vote of an American citizen. It is your constitutional right to vote in America. And if we don't have a zero defect system, we are violating your constitutional rights. And I will tell you, you deserve, the American public deserves, that we strive for a zero defect system. Right? We make medical devices in America with a zero defect system. Yeah. We shouldn't make votes with a zero defect system. If we don't strive for a zero defect system, we will get a lot more fraud. Mhmm. This is why the real idea is so important. We should strive for this. And it doesn't matter if it's one vote. Jason Calacanis (00:21:01): It's easily solved with the last 15 states that don't require voter ID to simply do that, and that would pretty much end this debate, I think. Antonio Gracias (00:21:09): I mean, I well, I wanna tell you, there are states that do require ID. I think real ID will solve it. Because real one of the things that our engineers are building, and it was already there, but they're making it they're cleaning it up and making it work properly, is a thing called SAVE. There's a database called SAVE that is available to the states. In the Biden administration, they raised the price, when I think about a dollar an API call, to $3 and change an API call, and all the states stops you stopped using it. SAVE is a database that has the actual citizenship data for the entire country. K? We're cleaning up now and making the actual UI much better. If the states have Real ID and they use save, you'll solve this problem. And I I I cannot understand why a state would not do this. Chamath Palihapitiya (00:21:51): Whose decision would it be to just change the cost of that API? Antonio Gracias (00:21:55): So great question, Chamath. We the secretary of homeland security, I wanna thank her, secretary Noem, has just signed a memo, a policy memo, to make it free. Jason Calacanis (00:22:06): Yeah. But why is there a charge anyway? It doesn't make any sense Antonio Gracias (00:22:08): to Yes. Jason Calacanis (00:22:08): Yeah. That's the David Friedberg (00:22:09): right thing. Jason Calacanis (00:22:09): Very simple Antonio Gracias (00:22:10): Senator knows to make this free. Jason Calacanis (00:22:12): Your parents. I know your dad is an immigrant. Antonio Gracias (00:22:14): My parents are both immigrants. Jason Calacanis (00:22:15): Both immigrants. Two immigrants sitting here. Antonio Gracias (00:22:17): My mother came here that speak English. Jason Calacanis (00:22:18): Yeah. So Speaker 5 (00:22:20): to be picked here Jason Calacanis (00:22:21): pick me. Me too. You're an immigrant, also an immigrant, seventh generation. Antonio Gracias (00:22:25): No Which one is it fit? I don't know who's not is it? Oh, Jason. Jason Calacanis (00:22:28): Who do you think? Seventh generation. I'm the all in presidential candidate by default. Locked Speaker 5 (00:22:35): I don't know. Antonio Gracias (00:22:36): You're from Mount Olympus, though. Jason Calacanis (00:22:37): Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And the five points. But, how should immigration work in this country? You know, we've talked about it on our pod, the point based system, etcetera. We still want immigration. We need high skilled immigration. We talked to president Trump about that. He said he was committed to giving people green cards who have diplomas. And this is a little out of your purview, but just how do you does Antonio Gracias feel about immigration, you know, deporting people, you know, deporting people with maybe less due process than maybe some of us are comfortable with? What do you think we should be doing here as a country? Antonio Gracias (00:23:14): There's a lot in that question. Yes. So, look, I'm a enormous fan of immigration. I mean, you will not find a guy who's more pro immigration than I am, because my parents are immigrants. They came here with nothing and built a life, and I am the American dream. And I'm so grateful this country for my for my family. You go in, you won't find it. I am so grateful this country was it has been great for us. Okay? And for all of you. The reality is that we need thank you. Yeah. American GDP is simply the function of number of people working, time productivity. We have 7,000,000 job openings roughly in America. We need people to work. Jason Calacanis (00:23:56): Yes. Antonio Gracias (00:23:57): This is this is the reality. The sits the system should very simply be, there's a skilled immigration group, and we figure out what that should be, what jobs you want. We and by the way, America is the best place to live in the world. We all know that. I believe that. If we make this easy, they will come. Right? No problem. And I think there's a broader view in that. We also need labor. We do. Our farm our farmers need labor. We need labor in the food industry, restaurants, etcetera. I think there should be both high end skilled immigration, and there should be a very sensible program for unskilled labor, a work permit program. David Friedberg (00:24:30): And you can We've got that h two a program. Antonio Gracias (00:24:32): There is an h there is the h two a program. I will tell you, these programs I've mapped the entire system now. They go from DHS to state department to labor. They're very disconnected, and they're they're hard to manage. So we are we are gonna work on this. One of the things we're gonna work on and hopefully leave behind is both a sensible answer to the illegal problem and a sensible answer to the legal problem. It's very important the team work on this. They they just Jason Calacanis (00:24:55): broke up like, super important for Trump's administration because there seems to be a bit of a I don't wanna call it a civil war, but heated debate internally between people like yourself and Elon and others who believe immigration is critical, and then other people who just wanna lock the border and deport 20,000,000 people. Steve I'll call this Steve Bannon camp. Antonio Gracias (00:25:13): Well, let Jason Calacanis (00:25:13): let He's not in the administration clearly. Antonio Gracias (00:25:15): Locking the borders I wanna be clear on this something. I don't believe in open borders. Yeah. When a country opens its border, this country cedes its sovereignty. You have to have closure. Have to have a border that's controlled. Agree on that. Yeah. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have legal immigration. Right. It should be it should be a proper process where people can come in that are great for the country, and they believe in our values. And they should they have a chance to become citizens if they believe in our values to support our Jason Calacanis (00:25:37): country. I really hope that you guys work this out and can have a positive influence like you've had with Doge on the administration and really work on this one, is sensible, kind, you know, empathetic immigration Antonio Gracias (00:25:48): Yep. Jason Calacanis (00:25:49): Because you're all immigrants. Antonio Gracias (00:25:50): I mean, the values I set for our team, I'll just tell you, the the valor execution values are focus, intensity, and discipline. I added a fourth value here to our team for our team, compassion. David Friedberg (00:25:59): Yes. Antonio, I just want and I want anyone else to join me in saying, look. You're a successful, wealthy, incredibly Handsome. Handsome man. That's the best part. But, like, I I know the work you're doing super hard. We talked backstage about how hard it's been. I just wanna honestly say, as an American, thank you for the work you're doing. And well done, dude. Thank you, bro. Speaker 5 (00:26:22): Alright. Thanks to my friend, Antonio Gracias, for joining us, and thanks to you, the audience, for tuning in for that important discussion about Doge. If you wanna come to our next event, it's the All In Summit in Los Angeles. Fourth Year for All In Summit. Go to AllIn.com/events to apply. A very special thanks to our new partner, OKX, the new money app. OKX was the sponsor of the McLaren f one team, which won the race in Miami. Thanks to Haider and his team, an amazing partner and an amazing team. We really enjoyed spending time with you. And OKX launched their new crypto exchange here in The US. If you love All In, Antonio Gracias (00:26:59): go Speaker 5 (00:26:59): check them out. And a special thanks to our friends at Circle. They're the team behind USDC. Yes. Your favorite stablecoin in the world. USDC is a fully backed digital dollar redeemable one for one for USD. It's built for speed, safety, and scale. They just announced the Circle Payments Network. This is enterprise grade infrastructure that bridges the gap between the digital economy and outdated financial realms. Go check out USDC for all your stablecoin needs. And special thanks to my friends, including Shane over at Polymarket, Google Cloud, Solana, and EVNK. We couldn't have done it without Gov. Thank you so much. Antonio Gracias (00:28:11): We should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy because they're all just useless. It's like this, like, sexual tension that they just need to release somehow.